TUDDA

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Hi Everyone,
Have been absent for quite a while, as you can see I am still searching for my Great Grandmothers family/info Giulietta Tudda. I do know however that she was born in Castilglioni in Tuscany and her fathers name was Cesario Tudda, don't know her mothers name. she had a sister named Marianna. Does anyone have any info on the Tudda family, I have hit a brick wall. Any info would be very, very welcome.

ANGEL

liviomoreno · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:07 am Post subject: Re: TUDDA

Tudda is a very rare surname. There are only 23 entries in the Italian White Pages: www.paginebianche.it/r...a&dv=&l=en and only one in Tuscany...

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Hi, by 1911 census she was born in Cassino:
1911 England Census about Genlietta Barlone
Name: Genlietta Barlone
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cassino Rome, Italy
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Duddeston Row Birmingham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Asistantin Business
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Piece: 18142
Household Members:
Name Age
Nucenzio Barlone 43
Genlietta Barlone 38
Giovanni Barlone 18
Antonella Barlone 16
Lunecina Barlone 14
Madelina Barlone 13
Antonio Barlone 11
Adelina Barlone 7
Rustittetta Barlone 5
Amelia Barlone 2
Concetta Barlone 7/12
Colestina Portuna 36
Guiseppe Pragnola 21
Winnie Rooke 32
Carmine Mastricci 34

maybe Tudda maiden name is mispelled...
regards,
suanj

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Thank you Livio and Suanj for the information - Yes, it seems that Tudda is a very rare surname. However I am positive that this is the correct spelling although it is written differently on one of the documents I have, the T looks very like a J.
It is also very correct that she lived with my G. Grandfather in Duddeston Road, Birmingham. His name was Innucenzio Barilone, some of the children you have listed suanj are correct. It has been very easy tracing the Barilone family but Tudda has proved very difficult. Can you give any other advice??

Kindest Regards,
Angel

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Hi,
I cannot give a right advice, because you said that Giulietta coming from Castiglione in Tuscany, but the her maiden name is of Calabria region especially.. so it is a mystery ...
regards,
suanj

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Hello Suanj,
Calabria region - this is quite confusing to me now. Do you have any advice to how I can find out where she was born or came from?? I am hoping to travel to Italy in September, I was planning to travel to Castiglione as I will be staying in Tuscany. I thought I might find a church that may have records of baptisms in the 1800's.

Thanks again,
Angel

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Hi Angel,
as I said, the surname Tudda is no present in all Lazio region; Tudda is rare surname; just 23 persons on Italian directory! Tudda is a calabrian surname (especially)...

so it is hard to give the right advice; because maybe Tudda spelling is wrong...

abt Giulietta birthplace... you said Castiglione( Castiglion Fiorentino or Castiglione della Pescaia; both in Tuscany); but by 1911 she declared Cassino birthplace; and Cassino civil records was destroyed for large part by WWII bombing...

So it is a bit hard to find something...
Best regards,
suanj

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Thank you, for all the info you have kindly given to me. Yes, it seems very difficult. I am beginning to believe that her family did come from southern Italy, but may have moved to Castiglione for whatever reason I don't know. Her sister who also came to the UK, married an Italian and returned to Italy with her husband (I'm still trying to find out his name) her name was Marianna Tudda. I met someone the other day who actually comes from Sicily and she said she knows the name Tudda comes from the southern part of Italy. she thinks Sicily. This has become very exciting and just hope I can get just one little link that will help me to uncover and reveal my families history.

Angel

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Hello again,
Sorry, excuse me I had forgotten to answer your question. I am not sure what part of Castiglione she came from. You said she declared Cassino as her birth place in 1900's - very confusing. But when I think back I remember my Grandfather travelling home to Italy he sent my mother a letter with a photo signed on the reverse Cassino, so he had visited the area but I thought he was just travelling during his stay in Lazio (St Elia, Fiume Rapido - the home of his father).
In the 1900's my Great grandmother Giulietta, her husband and some of the children returned to Italy with views of staying. they stayed in the St Elia, Lazio area where my Great grandfather was born (Innucenzio Barilone). But unfortunately they decided to return to the UK. I don't have the exact date of their return.

Angel

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Hello Suanj,

Is there any information for a Marianna Tudda, this being my G. Grandmothers sister. She returned to Italy with her husband, I don't know his name but there maybe something about Marianna Tudda?? I have a meeting with a priest at the church where she married in the UK to see if there are any records and also to find out her married name.

Thank you for all your help,

Angel

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Sorry Angel, I have no further infos abt Tuddas ... I know not where to search infos abt Giulietta or Marianna...
regards,
suanj

ANGEL · Junior Joined: Aug 12, 2010 Posts: 36 Location: UK

Thank you for info you have already given.

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Hi, again me...
I believe that Marianna Tudda was the second wife of Vincenzo Petrozzi:
the marriage:
Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
________________________________________
TUDDA Marianna Birmingham
6d 262

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
________________________________________
Petrozzi Vincenzo Birmingham
6d 262

the 1901 census:

1901 England Census about Marianna Petruzzi
Name: Marianna Petruzzi
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Vincenzo Petruzzi
Gender: Female
Where born: Ita Foreign Subject

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
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Registration District: Birmingham
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Schedule Number: 65
Piece: 2838
Folio: 11
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Vincenzo Petruzzi
30
Marianna Petruzzi
27
Filomena Petruzzi
5
Romolo Petruzzi
4

the Vincenzo daughter birth:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Petrozzi Filomena Birmingham 6d 50

it is possible that Vincenzo Petrozzi coming from Sora (Frosinone province).

I know not what happened, because Romolo Petrozzi [son of Vincenzo and..(? ex wife)] married in UK..

NAME: Romolo Petrozzi
SPOUSE: Mcleod
MARRIAGE: Sep 1931 - Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire
OTHER: QMar-Jul-Aug-Sep 1931

if Vincenzo Petrozzi and Marianna Tudda came back in Italy, it can be around 1903 because I found a record:

Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Petrozzi Antonia 0 Birmingham 6d 31

and I believe that she was the daughter of Vincenzo Petrozzi and Marianna Tudda.. It could be possible that after daughter death the couple came back in Italy... and I believe that Marianna died very soon after the trip back, because I found these records, but it is another mystery:

a Vincenzo Petrozzi matching for age and name came in 1906 in Canada

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Vincenzo Petrozzi
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1871
Departure Date: 17 Mar 1906
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Corean
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Corean' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Master: B Henry

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 about Vincenzo Petrozzi
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Date of Arrival: 28 Mar 1906
Vessel: Corean
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Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-500

and married again in Canada:

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Vincenzo Petrozzi

Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Birth Place: Tora Caserta Haly (Sora, Caserta province before of to be part of Frosinone province, Italy)
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Father Name: Donato Petrozzi
Mother Name: Filomena Puline
Spouse Name: Clara Edith Faulkner
Spouse's Age: 30
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1885
Spouse Birth Place: Birmingham (england)
Spouse Father Name: Thomas G Faulkner
Spouse Mother Name: Clara Edith Faulkner
Marriage Date: 16 Sep 1915
Marriage County or District: York

but before of marriage they lived as a family and a daughter was born:
Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Merinda Petrozzi
Name: Merinda Petrozzi
Date of Birth: 1 Dec 1907
Gender: Female
Birth County or District: York
Father's Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Mother's Name: Clara Edith Paulkener
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS933
Archive Reel: 49

on 16 jan 1910 anthoer and unamed little daughter died :
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about Petrozzi
Name: Petrozzi
Death Date: 16 Jan 1910
Death County or District: York
Gender: Female
Birth Location: Toronto, Ontario

Merinda Petrozzi married in Canada:
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 about Merinda Petrozzi
Name: Merinda Petrozzi
Birth Place: Ontario
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Father Name: Vincent Petrozzi
Mother Name: Pearl Faulkner
Spouse Name: Albert Harold Gibson
Spouse's Age: 24
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1903
Spouse Birth Place: Ontario
Spouse Father Name: Stephen Gibson
Spouse Mother Name: Nellie Gray
Marriage Date: 14 Sep 1927
Marriage County or District: York

another child birth:

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1913 about Vincenzo Petrozzi
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Date of Birth: 17 Aug 1911
Gender: Male
Birth County or District: York
Father's Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
Mother's Name: Clara Edith Faulkener
Archive Name: Archives of Ontario
Archive Series: MS933
Archive Reel: 64

this Vincent Petrozzi (son of Vincenzo and Clara) came in USA:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954 about Vincent Petrozzi
Name: Vincent Petrozzi
Arrival Date: 8 Jun 1949
Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, United States
Departure Contact: Wife Eileen
Age: 37
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1911
Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Italian
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards for to live in Buffalo, NY, USA

previous arrival in USA in 1944:

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954 about Vincenzo Petrozzi
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzi
[Vincent Petrozzi]
Arrival Date: 7 Oct 1944
Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, United States
Departure Contact: Wife Ellen
Age: 33
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1911
Birth Place: Toronto
Birth Country: Canada
Gender: Male
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

he came back in Canada .. he was married at Eileen Nellie Berry (Birth 30 Apr 1914 in UK-Death 14 Mar 2003 in St Catharines ON, Canada)

another son birth and death:

Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about Amedeo Petrozzi
Name: Amedeo Petrozzi
Death Date: 15 Jul 1915
Death County or District: York
Age: 1
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1914
Birth Location: Toronto, Ontario

another daughter:
Edith petrozzi
Birth 14 july 1916 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Death 27 July 1978 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
married at william borland
1918 – 1999
Edith also made a trip in USA:
Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1954 about Edith Petrozzi
Name: Edith Petrozzi
Arrival Date: 30 Jul 1930
Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, United States
Departure Contact: Mother Clara
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1908
Birth Place: Toronto, Ontario
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: Italian
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards
for a visit in Buffalo, NY, USA

Vincenzo Petrozzi died in Canada:
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about Vincenzo Petrozzo
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzo
Death Date: 19 Mar 1930
Death County or District: York
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Location: Italy

I know not if the above records are abt Vincenzo Petrozzi married at Marianna Tudda, but I believe that is right person.

I believe that when Vincenzo back in Italy with Marianna Tudda, maybe staying in Sora.. Marianna died or was abandoned and he came in Canada...

just a suggestion..
because I have no further infos, and Cassino civil records was destroyed by WWII bombing, and some record was rebuilt at the request of survivors around the 1955...
just my suggestions...
Best regards,
suanj

nuccia · Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:49 am Post subject: Re: TUDDA

Just following up on a few of Suanj's lead to see if we can confirm that it is your family..

Quote::

Vincenzo Petrozzi died in Canada:
Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947 about Vincenzo Petrozzo
Name: Vincenzo Petrozzo
Death Date: 19 Mar 1930
Death County or District: York
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Location: Italy

The father's name on Vincenzo's death certificate is Joseph and mother's surname Chelemann(?). He was a cook and was born 3 Jun- died in Mar 1930. He had cancer of the esophagus. He had been living in Canada for 26 years.

suanj · Researcher Joined: Sep 06, 2007 Posts: 112

Hi Nuccia, yes on the death record the informant given wrong parent's names: really the first names was:
Donato the father
and
Filomena the mother (=Chelemann..)
Hugs,
suanj