GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Eleven · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Wow, thats exciting. I thought adoptions were a dead end. I guess not, huh? Good luck to you.

stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Eleven wrote:

Wow, thats exciting. I thought adoptions were a dead end. I guess not, huh? Good luck to you.

I thought they would be also... but i always wanted to find out my grandmas real last name.. and thats what i came across Smile

Is there a chance that Rose Gilchrist gave a fake name when she gave her up for adoption? they checked the records for hudson county deaths 1954 to 2008 for Rose Gilchrist death, and nothing was found Confused

Eleven · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Maybe she got married, sometime later. Her death would have her married name.

stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

I also searched hudson county, NJ the town listed on the adoption record said she lives in Harrison, but there is no rose gilchrist living in harrison in 1930

edit: there is one whom is 8 years old in 1920 living in Hoboken... Maybe that is her?

nuccia · Last edited by nuccia on Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:55 pm; edited 1 time in total

How about this Rose?

1930 United States Federal Census
about Rose Gilchrist
Name: Rose Gilchrist
Home in 1930: North Arlington, Bergen, New Jersey
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1917
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Rose
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
William Gilchrist 40
Rose Gilchrist 38
Illean Gilchrist 15
William Gilchrist 15
Rose Gilchrist 13
James Gilchrist 10
Catherine Gilchrist 8
Joseph Gilchrist 5
Charles Gilchrist 2 8/12
Marie Gilchrist 4/12
Franles Healey 18

and then theres this one in a Hospital of some sort..

1930 United States Federal Census
about Rose Gilchrist
Name: Rose Gilchrist
Home in 1930: Newark, Essex, New Jersey
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Birthplace: New Jersey
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Bambery 68
Catherine Monks 69
Sarah Manning 60
Catherine Rielly 72
Elizabeth Sheridan 60
Nellie Noniguo 79
Mary Clark 41
Lillian Ogrady 53
Rose A Lynch 55
Mary Olear 31
Nora Young 30
Anna Lannan 57
Rose A Reilly 69
Hannah Gaulding 60
Mary Jacobo
Annie Curtis 52
Florence Oconnor 41
Catherine Brindell 22
Anna Kirk 27
Hellen T McNally 30
Bertha Lynch 29
Frances Fitzsimmons 46
Florence Lynch 32
Mary Taggart 31
Helen Douglas 35
Rose M Ward 39
Grace Smith 27
Mary Woods 36
Katie Kendrick 32
Mary Sciano 30
Anna Regavick 22
Florence Stromerninger 19
Grace Lardon 60
Hellen Berighton 25
Hellen McCormack 29
Delia Gilhooly 35
Elizabeth Guenin 30
Agnes Hintz 41
Pauline Tillson 20
Genevieve Mills 20
Pauline Fullman 56
Veronica L Egan 52
Sophie Paulicki 21
Jennie Colling 30
Dorathy Wiland 18
Loretta Becker 29
Mary Staskiewicz 18
Lucille Hardy 19
Mary Spisak 19
Marie Distephe 19
Bella Cappozzia 21
Caroline Dorazio 18
Mary Davis 17
May Stomberg 19
Catherine Corbett 58
Cecily Dyull 19
Lucy Delre 16
Aldona Harano 15
Elizabeth Kiernan 15
Anna White 17
Clara Long 16
Mamie Malkowski 18
Jennie Romano 17
Lillian Ross 20
Rose Gilchrist 17
Philomena Casto 16
Ruth Major 17
Josephine Fanelli 20
Mary Lettieri 18
Charlotte Rhodes 16
Hellen Ortrowinz 16
Elizabeth Laface 17
Anna Borino 19
Mary Killeen 50
Anna Lynch 18
Hellen Mullane 19
Julia Waida 16
Alice McKeown 22
Emma Finkeldey 18
Theresa Merendino 17
Florence Hoffman 16
Jennie Marcinak 17
Catherine Hayes 41
Josephine Benno 22
Philomena Martarano 21
Jim Schachner 25
Mildred Spees 18
Mary A Reveriao 16
Jennie Bernatowitz 16
Irma Mog 19
Catherine Boyle 19
Catherine Baker 61
Bernadette Burke 17
Mary Capone 16
Margaret Band 44
Margaret Walch 17
Josephine Rudden 18
Blanche Dulinski 19
Violet Podolski 19
Carmella Dotoli 18

Not sure of the distance from Harrison to these places but maybe its one of them?

nuccia · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

My guess is the eight year old you found is actually the 17 year old in the hospital in 1930. In 1920 she was eight.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Rose Gilchrist
Name: Rose Gilchrist
Home in 1920: Hoboken Ward 4, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 8 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912
Birthplace: New Jersey
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's Name: Anna
Mother's Birth Place: New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
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Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Gilchrist 34
Grace Gilchrist 14
Eleanor Gilchrist 10
Rose Gilchrist 8
Charles Gilchrist 4 11/12

stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

do you have the name of the hospital? I will take a look see what i can find... newark is about a mile and a half away from harrison

stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

the paper i have says, Baby Gilchrist resides at medical center, Jersey city, NJ..That the mother of said child is Rose Gilchrist who resides in city of harrison, Hudson co, nj

nuccia · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Carol is trying to link the 1930 Census now. She is sending it soon..imageshack is taking forever since its such a big record.

nuccia · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

Here's the link to the 1930 Census.

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stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

hmm im trying to locate the House of the goodshepard in Newark on 13th, but i have no luck so far im gonna keep looking.. it sounds to me that that was a hospital for someone who was sick?

stevenspringer · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

my father says it sounds like orphanage

nuccia · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

I don't think it would be an orphanage since the inmates were too old to be in one. This looks like it could be a place for people who required additional care for one reason or another. Until we find out what it was exactly there is no point in speculating.

nuccia · Last edited by nuccia on Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:08 pm; edited 1 time in total

Maybe this page will help?

www.jerseyhistory.org/...er%20List:

Steven, it sounds to me like Rose had trouble caring for herself and her child financially (and perhaps emotionally since she may not have had much support being what we assume is a single mom) and so she may have used this hospital to help her get back on her feet. Remember, not everything is as it seems and she may have felt her only option to have her child have a better life was to give her up for adoption..again, only speculation of course!

tjbrn · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: GREAT NEWS! ONE STEP CLOSER

This is slightly off topic but I recently discovered the orphanage that my grandmother of Irish descent and her siblings were placed following the death of the mother -- St Vincent's Orphanage in Philadelphia, PA. Internet searches unearthed a phone number so I called. A very conscientious man provided me with copies of the ledger page (the only record left as other records were destroyed) which listed the children and various information including the dates they arrived and were discharged, the parent's names, contact names, if they were baptized, and what parish or church the baptism took place. Fortunately, for me St Joachim's Catholic Church is still in existence; I was able to call the church and request copies of any available records of my ancestors. Baptismal records were found and I am awaiting copies of those as well as any other records which pertain to the family. I thought I would never find the orphanage as none of my living relatives knew its name or location. The children were placed in the orphanage because the mother died about a month after giving birth to a child and the father couldn't manage the 4 children plus an infant. After six years the children were discharged to the care of their uncle, at least for a few years. There are some gaps I haven't been able to fill in yet. I know that my grandmother spoke glowingly of the Mother Superior but not so much of the other sisters who were rather cruel and cold.