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BillieDeKid
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liviomoreno
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Agata Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1890 – 23 – April
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Lucia Distefano
Age - ?
Occupation - ? midwife maybe
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1890 - 22 – April
Mother – Lucia Distefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza living in said commune
Babies name – Agata
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Salvatore Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1891 – 28 - December
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Giuseppe Sapienza
Age - 54
Occupation - countryman
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1891 – 24 - December
Mother – Lucia Distefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza
Babies name – Salvatore
Notation on left side: He married Agata De Luca ? on Jan 22, 1916
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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I'll be waiting for a confirmation from Luca, in the meantime my best guess is
Joannes = Giovanni (male)
Baptized 1882 October xx, born Sept. 29, son of Lucia Distefano and Giuseppe (Joseph in Latin) Sapienza.
the right annotation states that on Oct 9, 1910 he married Concetta Grasso, daughter of Rosario and Sebastiana Grasso
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Maria
Baptized 1885 Sept 24, born Sept 22 daughter of Lucia Distefano and Giuseppe (Joseph in Latin) Sapienza.
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Natali a 1880
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Laura
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Birth act number 323 of Sapienza Salvatore
The day 28 december 1891 in Belpasso, Giuseppe Sapienza, age 54, peasant, resident in Belpasso declared that in the date of December 24, 1891 at 10.15 p.m. in his house in "quartiere Collegiata" number 88, was born a baby boy named Salvatore by Di Stefano Lucia his wife, living with him.
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Salvatore Sapienza married De Luca Agata on January 22, 1916 in Belpasso.
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Luca
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Joannes = Giovanni (male)
Baptized 1882 October 2, born Sept. 29, son of Lucia Distefano and Giuseppe (Joseph in Latin) Sapienza. Godmother Rosa Pellegrino
the right annotation states that on Oct 9, 1910 he married Concetta Grasso, daughter of Rosario and Sebastiana Grasso Ok
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Maria Guardia (if so very, very strange name)
Baptized 1885 Sept 24, born Sept 22 daughter of Lucia Distefano and Giuseppe (Joseph in Latin) Sapienza. Godmother Caterina Nicolaso |
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| Natalia born 25 December, baptized 29 December 1880 daughter of Lucia ? and Giuseppe Sapienza. Godfather Giuseppe De Maggio |
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Luca
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Agata Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1890 – 23 – April
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Lucia Distefano
Age - 66 Occupation - midwife OK
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1890 - 22 – April
Mother – Lucia Distefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza (farmer) living in said commune
Babies name – Agata. Per Livio: Ci deve essere stato un qualche errore da parte dell'ufficiale di Stato Civile, perché è impossibile che Lucia di Stefano (oltretutto di 66 anni) sia contemporaneamente levatrice e madre della bambina. Non pensi?
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Salvatore Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1891 – 28 - December
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Giuseppe Sapienza
Age - 54
Occupation - countryman
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1891 – 24 - December
Mother – Lucia Disefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza
Babies name – Salvatore
Notation on left side: He married Agata De Luca on Jan 22, 1916 OK |
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liviomoreno
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Grazie Luca!
Penso che sia un caso di omonimia... Oltre a tutto a 66 anni non penso possa aver partorito.
For those who do not understand Italian:
Luca was pointing out that the midwife has the same name as the mother. I believe it is a case of homonymy, they just happened to have the same name...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Livio and Luca...
Great work guys. WOW what a great team you are!
A thousand thanks!
Un buon lavoro amici. WOW siete una coppia sensazionale!
Grazie mille!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Agata Sapienza – Civil birth act
Date registered – 1890 – 23 – April
Comune – Belpasso
Person registering the birth - Lucia Distefano
Age - ?
Occupation - ? midwife maybe
Living in – Belpasso
Actual day of birth – 1890 - 22 – April
Mother – Lucia Distefano wife of Giuseppe Sapienza living in said commune
Babies name – Agata
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Thanks for checking my translation.
Edit to remove age and occupation request.
And again - thank you so much Livio ! 
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BillieDeKid
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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| Natalia born 25 December, baptized 29 December 1880 daughter of Lucia ? and Giuseppe Sapienza. Godfather Giuseppe De Maggio |
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daughter of Lucia Proietto ???
Livio had translated the marriage act of Lucia Proietto and Giuseppe earlier in the thread. So maybe Proietto?
If Lucia Proietto is the same as Lucia Distefano why would she use her mothers surname of Distefano instead of her fathers surname of Proietto? I hope someone can answer this. I'm thinking maybe these two Lucia's are not the same person. We know Giuseppe was married more than once.
Can we get some opinions on the subject?
Livio and Luca - thank you so much - you are both FANTASTICO !! 
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BillieDeKid
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Livio - I thougth maybe Proietto had been mispelled on the document like Proiato. I'm sorry the images are so difficult to read, I tried to clean them up but they are still "fuzzy".
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Luca
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Livio and Lucca...
Great work guys. WOW what a great team you are!
A thousand thanks!
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Thank you ... but only a note:
Lucca is a wonderful town in Tuscany 
Luca am I 
Don't worry ...
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Luca
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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So we have:
Giuseppe Sapienza and Lucia Proietto married on January 1875
but the first son of Giuseppe Sapienza (in the documents above) is:
1880 December 25 Natalia (Mother Lucia ?)
1882 September 29 Giovanni (Mother Lucia Distefano ) then:
1884 December 14 Agostino (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1885 September 22 Maria (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1887 April 16 Rosa (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1890 April 22 Agata (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1891 December 24 Salvatore (Mother Lucia Distefano )
1893 April 19 Francesco (Mother Lucia Proietto)
year ? Luigi (Mother Lucia Distefano )
year ? Alfio Mother Lucia Distefano
1899 July 23 Anna Mother Lucia ? (Note: if the mother is the same of the marriage kept in 1875, she was 47 at that time!)
The question is: Lucia is alwais the same person? For a right answer you need to check the baptism acts between 1875 and 1880 (for sons of Giuseppe Sapienza), the marriages in the same period (alwais for Giuseppe Sapienza) and death acts after the last son (1899) (in this case for Lucia Proietto o Distefano)
I hope you can understand my (poor) English.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Translation Help |
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Is Luigi,Giovanni,Joanny same person?
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