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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:37 am    Post subject: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

I am hoping someone here might have the answer to this question. As you might be aware, I do Italian family history research largely for people who hope to claim Italian citizenship - this is especially valuable to citizens of non-EU countries who wish to live/work in the EU.

One piece of information that I have not been able to find online is this:

What happens if the child born to an Italian father and a non-Italian mother is not legitimate (i.e. the parents never married, father disappears off the scene, etc). Would it be safe to presume that if the mother put the Italian father's name on the birth certificate that this would still be sufficient for an ancestry claim?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Riccardo may be able to answer this question for you. He is an expert in this field.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Well, the dual citizenship sometimes is complicated.

First of all, if an ancestor who left italy to go abroad was born before 1860, he can not inherit the italian citizenship for his descendants.

The law about italian citizenship and right to acquire it is dated 1912, so everyone who naturalized in the new country were emigrated, before 1912, can not inherit it to his grandchildren.

During those times the birth, marriage and death form record didn't contain the information about the citizenship of the people of the record.
In fact sometimes italian consulate abroad would like to have a statement from the civil record office were the italian ancestor was born, that he was born as italian citizenship.

Starting from the point that this kind of statement is not required by the italian citizenship directive, usually the registrar don't issue this kind of statement because there is not written anywhere that the ancestor was born as italian citizen.

This information is stated on the records kept at Population registry office (Ufficio Anagrafe), this office is founded around 1930 in every single municipality of italy.

But the consulate try very hard to have it because for sure a baby born in italy from polish or irish or german parents, is not italian, italian citizenship is by blood, not because the baby was born on the italian territory.
If a baby is born from an italian parent and from a non italian parent, the baby is italian.

I hope you got the idea now.

To answer your question, if an italian father didn't recognize the baby, and the non italian mother recognized the baby, it is not italian.
I do not understand how a mother put the last name of the father of the baby if his father disappeared.

Today if a baby is born, and both parents are not recognizing him, so it is in the state of abandoned baby, and put for adoption, it doesn't matter if the baby is black, yellow, or anything, the law states he is an italian citizen.

I hope I was clear, and if you think you have more questions you know where to find me
bye Riccardo Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Claiming Italian Citizenship for an 'Illegitimate' Child Reply with quote

Riccardo
Maybe you can help me out.
My father was born of an italian father and a colombian mother in Colombia,they were not married at the time of his birth and did not do so until my dad was 23 years old. I was told that this would be a problem for me to claim italian citizenship, since they were not married at the time of his birth?
my italian Grand father did recognize my father legally, also by the church baptizmal certicate.
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