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Exciting reference!
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JamesBianco Researcher
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 645 Location: Westfield, MA.
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Exciting reference! |
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I have been away from my Italian roots of late, focusing on my many noble French lines.. Tonight I found an amazing discovery!!!
A letter from Margaret de Savoy to King Henry VIII of England which mentions MY ancestor Antoine de Gerbier! Henry VIII would have read this letter. (Yes this is the man who executed two of his wives, the most famous of which Anne Boelyn) It also gives me clues to my ancestor's heritage, while he lived in Holland in 1512 (the date of the letter) he is called "a frenchman" which means I should be able to find more on him in France. Here is the letter:
What makes this interesting is that England and France were very much at odds in 1512.. that is why the ship was seized, since my ancestor was French.
(Wikipedia)
France and the Habsburgs
In 1511, Pope Julius II proclaimed a Holy League against France. This new alliance rapidly grew to include not only Spain and the Holy Roman Empire, but also England. Henry decided to use the occasion as an excuse to expand his holdings in northern France. He concluded the Treaty of Westminster, a pledge of mutual aid with Spain against France, in November 1511 and prepared for involvement in the War of the League of Cambrai. In 1513, Henry invaded France and his troops defeated a French army at the Battle of the Spurs. His brother-in-law, James IV of Scotland, invaded England at the behest of Louis XII of France,[9] but failed to draw Henry's attention away from France. The Scots were disastrously defeated at the Battle of Flodden Field on 9 September 1513. Among the dead was the Scottish King, which ended Scotland's brief involvement in the war.
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nuccia Admin
Joined: Jul 09, 2007 Posts: 4375 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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Wow...how cool is that! Thanks for taking the time to share this with us!
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JamesBianco Researcher
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liviomoreno V.I.P.
Joined: Sep 08, 2007 Posts: 1140 Location: Rome (Italy)
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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Very interesting and Gerbier sounds very French!
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
Joined: Oct 26, 2007 Posts: 1221 Location: Illinois
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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This is wonderful Jim! Here is a link for a 1500's map so you can see how the territories were broken up at the time of the letter.
www.google.com/imgres?...CA4Q9QEwAg
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JamesBianco Researcher
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JamesBianco Researcher
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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Here is a picture of Antoine Gerbier's daughter Isabeau and her husband and children (one of her daughters is married with a child, and they are in the painting also). The boy all the way to the left standing with his arm bent and finger pointing up is my (many) great-grandfather Francois de Moucheron.
The painting is from 1563
Pierre de Moucheron & Isabeau de Gerbier 1563
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charliemis Explorer
Joined: Aug 05, 2007 Posts: 553 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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They all look really happy to be there.....it must be the tight collars
So when are you having the big party at the family chateaux in France?
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liviomoreno V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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Re: the painting
James, I'm sure you noticed that the ages of Pierre and Isabeau, as well those of their children can be read above their heads...
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JamesBianco Researcher
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liviomoreno V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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You look like if you were twins!
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Exiting reference! |
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