|
|
|
|
Last Posts
Last 10 Forum Messages
| |
|
|
|
|
Community Forums › All Things Italian › Translations › Translation of 100 year old official documents from Montalto
|
|
|
|
Translation of 100 year old official documents from Montalto
For help with translating documents or writing letters. Go to page 1, 2 Next
::
|
Author |
Message |
KK_Danos New Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2009 Posts: 10
|
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Montalto |
|
Hello,
I'm new to Gente di Mare. Recently, while I was visiting my mother we discovered several documents that were folded inside of an old photo album. All of the documents are very old on parchment paper with the original seals/stamps from between 1907 and 1910. The first two, in the link posted below, seem to be a land sale? and birth record for my great-grandmother Rosina Serpa/Lato and Giuseppe Lato.
Unfortunately my grandmother passed when my mom was quite young, so I can not ask her. My Italian is elementary level at best and the old school script makes it even more difficult to translate. My mother allowed me to copy the docs and I have scanned them.
Can anyone here help me? The first one looks important. The second one seems to be an birth record with more detail that usual. My mother believes this was because the marriage between Rosina and Giuseppe was arranged. I would appreciate any help.
www.montaltouffugo.inf...1_2[1].pdf
Molto grazie,
Kim
P.S. I really need help with the first document. I think we have most of the second one translated now.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Cathy V.I.P.
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 2681
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
nuccia Admin
Joined: Jul 09, 2007 Posts: 4375 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Montalto |
|
Hi Kim. Welcome!
I think someone should be able to translate this for you soon. (My guess is someone is already working on it as I write this).
_________________ nuccia
Italian Surname Database
Calabria Exchange |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Carole Admin
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 1662 Location: Valtellina - Near Lake Como
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Here is the first page for you. Sorry I haven't time today for the second, but you say you have understood most of that...
If someone else can possibly do the second page for you - that's great... if not, I'll try and do it later in the week - OK?
Translation
Note in triplicate of transactions.
Resulting from the act of 3rd October 1910 for the public notary Mr.Carlo Trasimina of Montalto Uffugo entering in the register;
containing the income:
In favour of
Carcarelli(?) Antonio Achille (son) of the late Vincenzo, proprietor, domiciled in Montalto Uffugo
Joint user (coutri?)
Lato Luigi (son) of the late Carlo, farmer, domiciled in San Vincenzo LaCosta.
Of a house, found in the Greco district, of the Comune of Montalto Uffugo, comprising of one room and a terrace, adjoining on all sides with Giuliani Catanzaro and not showing recorded in the land register.
For the price of one thousand Lire, paid before this act.
[align=center]Montalto Uffugo 3 October 1910
Avv. Carlo Taormina
Receipt for the Stamps on the document
5 October 1910
Two hundred and 24Lire.
204
20
224
_________________
Researching: EDMED, SAVILL, TYSON, NEWCOMBE, STAPLETON, GUNTER, STAPLES
If you think education is expensive -try ignorance!
>Expats in Italy<
Come and join 'Dork and Friends'! >New Blog<
Last edited by Carole on Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
The first document concerns the sale of a house:
in favour of
Cascarelli Antonio Achille son to the late Vincenzo, landowner, resident in Montalto Uffugo
and
Lato Luigi son to the late Carlo, farmer, resident in San Vincenzo La Costa
of a small house in "Contrada" (hamlet) Greco, in the commune of Montalto Uffugo, having one room and a terrace, bordering on all sides Giulia Catanzaro and not written in the Cadastral register.
Price: one thousand Italian Liras
October 3, 1910 Montalto Uffugo
I'll translate the other document in a few minutes
Ada
Last edited by uantiti on Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:47 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Carole we posted the translation more or less at the same moment. The name of the notary is Carlo Taormina.
Ada
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
The second document is an
Extract from the original birth act of Serpa Rosina year 1883 # 89, Nr 223 on the Register.
April 29, 1883
Pietro Serpa of the late Giuseppe, 36 years old, farm labourer, resident in Montalto, declared that at 2.20 am on 29 April, in the house located in Montalto in the Village Castagna # 2, his legitimate wife, Teresina Lo Feudo daughter of Pietro, gave birth to a girl who will be given the name of Rosina Serpa.
Witnesses Vincenzo Mazzei, 60 years old and Pietro Villano (or Villasso?), 50 years old.
This act doesn't have more details than usual it's very normal and marriage and birth acts do not take into consideration if marriages are arranged or not.
In your searches you must remeber that women in Italy did not and do not change their family name when getting married.
Ada
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Cathy V.I.P.
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 2681
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Carole wrote: |
Carcarelli(?) Antonio Achille (son) of the late Vincenzo, proprietor, domiciled in Montalto Uffugo
[align=center]Joint user (coutri?)
Lato Luigi (son) of the late Carlo, farmer, domiciled in San Vincenzo LaCosta.
|
Thanks Carole and Ada! I do know that Antonio Achille's surname is Coscarelli. I am confused though - who bought the house and who was the previous owner?
KK - Was Luigi Lato born in Montalto Uffugo or San Vincenzo La Costa?
_________________ Cathy
My Websites |
|
Back to top |
|
|
KK_Danos New Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2009 Posts: 10
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Ada & Carole - Thank you! I really appreciate the help with these documents. I am still wondering did Luigi Lato buy or sell the home?
Partly from my mom's memory and partly from the other documents we found, we formed the opinion that the marriage was arrange. But, maybe Rosina & Giuseppe's did not? Would you be willing to look at a couple of the other documents?
We do know for certain that my grandmother (Alvina Lato) and grandfather (Dominico Arcieri) had an arranged marriage.
Cathy, I am not sure which town he was born in for sure. I would guess Montalto Uffugo. I know he was about 10 years older than my great grandmother, so that would put his birth year around 1873 -/+ 5 years. I believe he came to the US when he was in his 30s and was unmarried at the time.
_________________ Researching: Arcieri, Perri, & Gallo from Conflenti/Catanzaro; Lato, Serpa, Lofeudo, & Bozzarello from Montalto & Cosenza. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Cathy V.I.P.
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 2681
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
I checked our member Liz's website after I made that post and there are no Luigi Lato's born in San Vincenzo La Costa for the years 1866-1877 so I will check my microfilms of Montalto Uffugo for him next week.
_________________ Cathy
My Websites |
|
Back to top |
|
|
KK_Danos New Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2009 Posts: 10
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Cathy wrote: |
I checked our member Liz's website after I made that post and there are no Luigi Lato's born in San Vincenzo La Costa for the years 1866-1877 so I will check my microfilms of Montalto Uffugo for him next week. |
Cathy, I must be 1/2 asleep still. I was thinking of Giuseppe not Luigi. Luigi would have been Giuseppe's father so the year would have been even earlier, like 1840-1858? And yes it would be possible for him to be from San Vincenzo La Costa
_________________ Researching: Arcieri, Perri, & Gallo from Conflenti/Catanzaro; Lato, Serpa, Lofeudo, & Bozzarello from Montalto & Cosenza. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
liviomoreno V.I.P.
Joined: Sep 08, 2007 Posts: 1140 Location: Rome (Italy)
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Montalto |
|
The buyer is Antonio Achille Coscarelli, and the seller Luigi Lato
_________________ Livio
La mia genealogia |
|
Back to top |
|
|
KK_Danos New Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2009 Posts: 10
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
KK_Danos New Member
Joined: Jan 31, 2009 Posts: 10
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
Can anyone tell if the first document in this grouping is one of the "triplicate copies" or if this is another land/house sale?
home.mchsi.com/~kkdano..._and_d.pdf
The next two documents seen here:
Seem to leave a blank where the bride or groom's names should be. Is this correct or am I misinterpreting the documents?
Again, thank you for your help. I really appreciate it. I am just learning and appreciate any and all advice and insight into researching my family.
_________________ Researching: Arcieri, Perri, & Gallo from Conflenti/Catanzaro; Lato, Serpa, Lofeudo, & Bozzarello from Montalto & Cosenza. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Carole Admin
Joined: Jul 10, 2007 Posts: 1662 Location: Valtellina - Near Lake Como
|
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Translation of 100 year old official documents from Mont |
|
uantiti wrote: |
Carole we posted the translation more or less at the same moment. The name of the notary is Carlo Taormina.
Ada |
Thanks Ada - I did have a problem with the name, but thought I had got it right.... just goes to show - you can never be too sure. But the rest seems OK.
Like KK_Danos I have real problems deciphering the old style Italian handwriting, but I do my best. Now if it was English 'old style'.... well!
_________________
Researching: EDMED, SAVILL, TYSON, NEWCOMBE, STAPLETON, GUNTER, STAPLES
If you think education is expensive -try ignorance!
>Expats in Italy<
Come and join 'Dork and Friends'! >New Blog< |
|
Back to top |
|
|
| Page 1 of 2 | All times are GMT - 4 Hours |
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum You cannot attach files in this forum You cannot download files in this forum
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|