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Cathy V.I.P.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: What is this? |
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I came across this document in the microfilm and have no idea what it is. It was by itself - not part of processetti or deaths - just in between all alone. Since it mentions a "fu" Vincenzo, son of "fu" Vincenzo Napolitano, I am really curious. I cannot understand enough of it to tell it's purpose or what it is. Can someone help? The document is here
Thank you so much.
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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I had a quick look, it's bit dark, anyway it's a death act written by the Mayor dated August 25, 1809 and based on a declaration of death of Vincenzo Maria Napolitano of the late Vincenzo Napolitano Scarise(????) and Maria Sxx Lo Fonte(??) (it's just a guess). In accordance to the Napoleon's Code, he went and saw with his eyes the dead body(!!) and there were no signs of a violent death, etc. If you need more details (!!) I'll try and give you the whole version.....
Ada
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:56 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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The mother's name could be Maria Angela or Maria Agata but the surname....seems to start with an "F".
Ada
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Ciao Luca!
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Luca Translator
Joined: Jan 22, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Terni - Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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E come hai fatto a vedermi?
L.
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Ada aka Superwoman!!!!
Ma dai! Non sai che quando sei in linea viene fuori il tuo nome qui a sinistra dove c'è scritto Who is where: Members: ....??
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Luca Translator
Joined: Jan 22, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Terni - Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Si si... ma lo spirito investigativo non tradisce mai!!!
L.
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Ti ho "scippato" il documento......ma tu non c'eri, sei arrivato dopo. Però, nella mia grande generosità, ti lascio tutti quelli in latino, io me lo ricordo poco ....
Ciao béla gioia.
A.
P.S.: Sorry Cathy, just kidding with Luca a bit
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Ada -
The word after Napolitano (Scarise) ..... is that an occupation or a name or something else? I haven't come across this on any of my documents yet so it will be good to know in case I do.
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chanchisfea V.I.P.
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uantiti Explorer
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Elizabeth,
no, Scarise was just a guess. I thought it was a second surname as it looks starting with a capitol letter and I assumed Cathy knew it and would have corrected me. Usually there are no occupations listed for dead parents in a death act. I will take another look to see if a comes on. Or we could ask the guy I had a conversation with. Couldn't we, Luca? Or Livio, if he's around.
Ada
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BillieDeKid V.I.P.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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Thanks Ada that's really interesting I didn't know that males could or might have two surnames I'll keep that in mind when I'm looking at my records from now on.
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Luca Translator
Joined: Jan 22, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Terni - Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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It' is "seniore" (senior), because he had the same name of his father (Vincenzo).
L.
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uantiti Explorer
Joined: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Biella (Piedmont) and Venezia/Venice, Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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I had taken into consideration the word "Signore" but it didn't match with what was written and there was no reason to write it. I didn't think of Seniore (which is old Italian). Ah, Luca. What will we do without you?
Elizabeth, in any case, a double surname is not unusual in Italy and also women can have a double surname but not because of a marriage. It was used to identify families having same surname. It started adding a nickname to the surname which at a certain point became official. There are other reasons too but the above was the more frequent.
Ada
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Luca Translator
Joined: Jan 22, 2008 Posts: 695 Location: Terni - Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:14 am Post subject: Re: What is this? |
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uantiti wrote: |
... Ah, Luca. What will we do without you? |
Se non fosse una donna a dirlo( )... quasi, quasi ci crederei ( )
L.
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